X and Y movement not smooth

I ran my new MPCNC for the first time tonight. I printed the parts, am using 3/4" conduit, bought the parts kit from V1 along with my Rambo and the LCD. The build is 24" x 24" x 4".

When I jog either the x or y axis, the movement isn’t smooth. At some spots across the axis it smoothes out, but it shakes at the gantry and at the stepper motors. I am jogging only using the LCD and the Rambo, no other software, just moving it 10mm at a time, back and forth across the entire 24" x 24" work area.

I have noticed two things, but need the advice of you guys as I believe the shaking is bad enough that the crown exercise would not turn out well.

  1. I cleaned the conduit, but it doesn't seem very smooth. I re-sanded a couple of sections of the rails and it makes a slight difference but not enough, so I'm thinking it's more than this. Should I sand down the conduit more?
  2. When I measure the distance from the y rollers to the corner, the measurement is off by 1/8". When I measure the x axis it is spot on. I took a good deal of time squaring up my rails and squaring the x/y to the gantry, so I'm not sure where this 1/8" is coming from and not sure if it's causing the issue. I'm not sure how to get rid of it either (tension bolts A and B?).... my only thought is my gantry alignment is off. [attachment file=74825] [attachment file=74824]
I'm very excited about where I am at this point, but don't want to move forward until I know what is going on. Also, my z axis is very smooth.

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Tom

Have you checked that the machine is properly square?

Are the belts slipping on the pulleys?

Are all of your bearings in contact with the conduit? If you light drag your thumb against them do they rotate (without the gantry moving)?

Viktor,

The rails are square. I checked the distance across the x and y and the distance to both corners.

The belts are not slipping. The tension on both sides of the belts isn’t perfectly balanced, but it’s not far off.

As the unit moved, I felt each bearing and they are all turning. There are a couple in the gantry that I can’t reach, but everything is in contact with the conduit.

Thanks…

FYI, I checked the bearings when the machine was jogged and felt the bearings move. I will check to see if the bearings move without the gantry moving…

Does it roll smoothly by hand?

Are your steppers wired in series or parallel?

Aaryn,

Not as well as I think it should, so no.

Steppers are wired in series.

Thanks

Tom

I re-sanded all the conduit down a bit… 600 grit.

I adjusted the tension bolts, loosened them and the y axis is now smooth as silk, but the x is a bit better, but still not where it should be.

Any help is appreciated!

Tom

At least that tells us that the problem is most likely mechanical. If it was smooth when you moved it by hand and rough when moved by itself that would point to electronics.

It sounds like the tension bolts where a little tight. Check the X rod to make sure it doesn’t have dents, bends, or flat spots from the tight fit. Also make sure Tension “Bolts A” are loose. I mean the bolt not just the nut. Sometimes the bolt threads get caught on the plastic and still hold it tight. (Happened to me.)

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Thanks Aaryn,

I did have to ratchet in the bolts through the plastic, so that could be the problem.

I may take the nut all the way off and let the gantry kind of settle down, then put the nut back on, up to and on the nylon lock just a turn.

Tom

Fixed it.

The bolts on the bearings in the gantry were too tight and since you can’t get to all of them, it was a total tear down and re-build… but that’s fine, because I’m moving smoothly now!

Crown test tomorrow!

Thanks all

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Wanted to include my crown test here after fixing my issue… Looking good.

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With the crown on the right, I printed it 3 times on top of itself. You can’t see any thickening, blurring, or double lines. I’m happy… any comments from you guys is always helpful.

I cleaned up the wiring yesterday using the tape measure trick… love that for $5.

I’m not happy with the tape measure on the z axis, (especially that it won’t support the DeWalt cord) so I may get my son to print up the y axis caps so I can run some aluminum across and a cable chain.

Thanks again for the help.

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