Sanjay Mortimer Rep Rap Festival

That stuff looks similar to US rigid conduit in that it’s threaded. I bet it’s rather thick walled.
How hard is it to cut?

I realized in the various threads that a distributed build, and pre-arrival pre-builds are a possibility.
I’m really excited about that prospect as it is get-aheads and also brings out the best of what the community can achieve when we work together. The collaboration is one of the most fun and rewarding parts of it for me.

I need to decide on a printed parts size fairly quickly, so let’s try and decide between 30mm and 32mm tube. Whatever we pick, we’ll start working on pre-builds.

I propose that I’ll bring partially pre-assembled core and YZ plates, and that we get an LR4 beam assembly started on the UK side.

I really love the idea of putting addressible LED on the bottom of the beam, and if we start pre-building we can have all that ready. Arrival becomes an integration and assembly session.

I’ll get the final dimensions of the table that we’re going to get and will translate that into a proposed size for our build.

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I got through it really quick with a jigsaw then tidied it up with a bench sander.

Perhaps already discussed, but plan a visit to Hackman (Hackspace Manchester). Looks pretty cool.

I am planning to make a visit there.

I’ve reached out to them, and it’s radio silence from them.

That’s very unlike the Nottingham crew, who are VERY active even in this forum topic.

I’m pretty sure I’m going to grab a hotel that’s within walking distance of the Nottingham space and spend at least 2 nights there before going to Manchester for the show.

Sounds like a good plan in terms of division of labour.

Looks like the 32mm conduit has a ~3mm wall. So sturdier than the 30mm 1.5mm wall I used, but does it matter? I won’t use Superlec after they screwed me around on my last order, but if we feel the 32mm conduit would be significantly better than the 30mm ERW then happy to plan on that basis. I’m sure I can dig some up from somewhere.

Whichever tube size we settle on, I recently bought a handheld bandsaw that cuts conduit, unistrut etc like butter. So clean it doesn’t even need deburring!

Excited about this already! (Though I dread to think how much worse ~48hrs of continuous rain has made the situation in the CNC shed… I dare not even look :confused: )

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Nottingham would work for me if you need more hands. It looks like your just a hour away so I could “commute” there pretty easily and bring tools. So if you let me know what days I’ll book some time off work.

Conduit aside have we made arrangements for all of the other required parts like printed parts, XZ plates, electronics etc?

That’d be cool :smiley: Though if you need to bring tools we’ve failed as a makerspace!

We need to make the call on 32mm galv conduit vs 30mm ERW mild - unless the bigger OD and thicker wall adds significantly I would suggest the latter.

I’m happy to print parts though I don’t have a particularly quick or modern printer. XZ plates again, I can mill at the makerspace but may make more sense brought over as assemblies. Electronics I guess Jim might bring? Otherwise I can pull them off my machine temporarily. Probably want to use it to cut the strut plates first…

@MakerJim do we know yet how wide the beam needs to be? Or rather, how wide we can get away with :stuck_out_tongue:
@ anyone is 32mm 3mm wall noticably better than 30mm 1.5mm wall? (Not sure if this is a question that has an answer as yet!)

OK, this tips things.

I’ll go get arrangements to stay near the Nottingham makerspace on my arrival. Hopefully since Wednesday evenings are apparently busy I’ll be able to see a few more folks when I arrive.

I’ll be bringing parts, save for the conduit.

Yeah, we need to make the call. Either would be fine. Ryan seemed to think he’d sold slightly more 32mm than 30mm- but it’s close. If someone has an affordable source close by lets go with that.

I just need us to decide so I can pick what printed parts kit to bring.

Also, what router mount should I bring?

It won’t be needed for the drawing bot, but I intend to have it available for the printers’ after-show users to install.

Braces for an X beam would be my suggestion, then the Y rail mounts for whatever size contuit we choose.

I’ll be bringing a power supply, the steppers, cables, a Jackpot V3, etc. Also stuff to make a battery powered setup for the show.

How wide we can get away with was exactly my plan. It’s a small table; I was goig to ‘cheat’ maybe 150mm wider and 150mm deeper. (it’s the only size table they had left at the start of January)

They show it is:


Weird choice of units. So I’m thinking of making a 3 feet by 3 feet table, maybe with a lip on the bottom so it can’t slide off.

32mm sounds seriously stout and perhaps seriously heavy, but for a machine that’s roughly a meter square that shouldn’t matter. Even if it were extended after the show to 1m by 2m that should be fine.

I plan to partially pre-assemble the core and plates I bring, with the ideal being we get together and put a bunch of sub-assemblies together in short order.

Someone speak up if that 32mm seems too heavy- but if not then maybe that should be the choice.

I’m leaning heavily toward the 30mm 1.5mm wall as it’s available round the corner from me very cheaply. 32mm ~3mm wall (light duty with a thinner wall presumably available, I’ve not seen it) conduit would likely need to be a web order, which makes delivery slightly painful. Completely happy to do it if we think it makes a better machine, but 30mm OD 1.5mm wall is basically equivalent to the 1” EMT the machine was first (?) designed for, so should work fine?

Since we don’t know exactly where the machine will land yet, I think probably the Makita 700 mounts make most sense? (Or leave it as an exercise to the recipient) Relatedly, I currently use a reducing sleeve in mine as 1/8” collets are about double the price here of what Ryan has them listed at, and I refuse to pay £32 for a tiny piece of metal on principle! (Well, unless it’s a really nice endmill, I guess :rofl: ) So maybe throw one of those in with the mounts? And while you’re at it, another one you can resell to me from Ryan’s shop plus a shipping and handling fee for carrying it across the Atlantic would be sweet! :stuck_out_tongue:

Not sure if we’d get away with overhanging our table, are we not jammed right up against a neighbour or two? :thinking: Being one of the people that built full sheet capable to avoid the “how big do you really need” question, I’m not sure what less than full sheet size we should be trying to cram into it - beam wise anyway. I had been wondering about a 4ft (so it could still eat a full sheet, just in several bites) by 2ft “portable”, but cramming a full width beam into that space isn’t going to happen, so you’re probably on the money with 3ft by 3ft … if we think it won’t cause trouble.

Sounds like a good time to me! I’ll get the red carpet out of storage and arrange a welcome party. :laughing:

Alright, you talked me into 30mm. You get to help source it as a consequence :slight_smile:

You are after the 1/8" collet or the 1/8" endmill? Or both? I’ll see what I can do.

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Easy :smiley:

1/8” collet. Endmills are easy enough. Only if you’re ordering from Ryan anyway and it doesn’t put you out any. Cheers :smiley:

So I don’t get tied up with work commitments can you let me know what dates we are looking at when you know?

If you have any of those exhibitors tickets left can I snag for me Sat & Sun please? If I remember correctly there’s a few potential perks with them.

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I’ll add you to the list, look for a DM from me to get some details from you.

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I’ve been working to solidify my travel plans.
Synopsis:

Leave Colorado Monday, 02 March mid afternoon. Red eye flight to Germany, Frankfurt then Hamburg. Try to sleep on plane. Arrives Tuesday mid morning. Pop over to Oldenburg to visit Philipp in the afternoon then stay overnight in Germany.

Fly from Hamburg to Manchester on Wednesday morning, find my way to Nottingham. Stay in Nottingham Wednesday night and Thursday night. Major build thrash session on Thursday. Check out Friday and head to SMRRF. Stay in Manchester Friday night through Monday AM.

Back on an airplane to come home Monday AM.

I’ll be partially assembling a core, both YZ plates, and some kind of battry mount.
I’m debating bringing a CYD and/or M5 pendant- but if I do it won’t stay with the machine.

I’ll start some simple CAD work on the table. I’m going to shoot for a 3 foot by 3 foot table. If that proves problematic, I will reduce it so it overhangs front to back but not side to side. I’ll check in with the show on that.

I’ll be bringing a full electronics kit, a full printed parts kit, and a full hardware kit. Jackpot V3.

I like using Wago 220 inline connectors, so I’ll propose using those as terminal blocks for the wiring.

First question of today: if we sketch up some strut plates, can anyone there cut them?
We could do a beam pre-assembly and also table work in advance if there’s willing participant(s).
The beam would need 30mm brace set, and we’d need 30mm Y rail mounts, that’s probably the only printed stuff needed early.

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That’s one hell of an itinerary! I feel honoured that you’re coming out, tbh.

I love a Wago me. If you bring any shudder wire nuts I’m afraid we can’t be friends :laughing:

Yes. Either on my Lowrider, or on Nottinghack’s laser if they’ll fit. Happy to do beam assembly. Table work might be better left to someone that isn’t chronically lopsided. :laughing:

The important question now is what colour scheme are we going to use, and what name should I engrave on the plates?!

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Who doesn’t love a Wago

“SMRRF 2026” ?

Just a thought if there’s no current place for the Lowrider to be donated it could go into the SMRRF charity auction (SMRRF 2026 Auction).

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I don’t use them. We can stay friends. :slight_smile:

I’ve thought about that, but suspect we’ll identify a post-show home for that LR4.

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Can someone check my work:
I did some fiddling about.
If we go for a 3 foot by 3 foot table (still waiting confirmation this is OK)…

Running through the calculator LowRider V4 Calculator - V1 Engineering Documentation and working to back into a table size gives roughly:

Usable cutting area
X: 620mm
Y: 600mm

Having a slightly better than 2 foot cutting area would make for a nice smaller LR size, and after the show the Y could be expanded if desired, which would make for a really nice small machine.

The calculator gives these values:

Rail Lengths

Length (mm) Qty Name
786 2 X Rails
855 1 Y Rail

Belt Dimensions

Length (mm) Qty Name
969 1 Belt length along X
1055 2 Belt length along Y
3079 total length belts (all 3)

Strut Plates

Length (mm) Qty Name
789 2 Strut length

Table Size

This output is the minimum table required - belt holders will be installed flush with the outside corners. An extra 25-50mm (1”-2”) or more on each dimension is nice if you will be pushing it up against a wall or in a corner and to provide some protection for the belt holders.

Length (mm) Name
912 X table size (width)
913 Y table size (length)

The Y belt holder and rail can be cheated to any smaller size you need for the show so you have plenty of room, from what I can see.

Ryan has a shipment on the way to me which should be out for delivery in the next day or so.

I have a little burst of real job work to do and will post a better update shortly.

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