Part cuts accurate but hole/pockets small

Hello Lowrider/Estlcam users

I’m just getting started with my machine, and part cuts - like the strut plates are cutting very accurately. However any pockets/holes/drills are coming out about 0.5mm small. I’ve checked the g code and the min and max X and Y dimensions for a test square pocket look correct

Any idea what could be causing this small pocket issue? If there was inaccuracy cutting parts I’d look to mechanical issues but this smells like software to me….

Appreciate your help

Ryan

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quick update - I tried another test cut with a 3.2mm bit (previous was 6.35mm) and the pocket seems small by roughly 0.3mm this time

Are you using a finishing pass? :slight_smile:

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from what I can tell this happens with or without a finishing pass - I’ll double check to be sure though. Even with a finishing pass the g code seems correct?

How much of a finishing pass, with what endmill, router, and material?

For the most part you can not cut a perfect outside dimension and an incorrect inside dimension. The forces on the router are the same for a pocket. A Drill operation is only determined from the endmill size and the tool rounout, a helical hole is basically the same as a pocket.

Here comes an info dump - really appreciate your help with this

This is a test cut of 2 40x40mm squares, one part and one pocket both 15mm deep, 1/4 in 0 flute endmill, no finish pass, 19mm MDF

Here’s some estl cam screenshots:

Here is the resulting pocket cut:

sorry that last one was with a finishing pass - this is without the finishing pass, pocket cut:

And this is the part cut:

sorry for all the posts - because my account is new I’m limited in attachment uploads (understandable). I have lots more pics and info if needed

Thanks again in advance for your help

Ryan

We need a little more info. I can see MDF, and 1/4" downcut.

From what I see you are not using a finishing pass and you are going way too fast for a downcut. You really should try out an upcut. If anything do all of it with the upcut, then the finishing pass with the down cut. With a large enough finishing pass I have never needed a downcut. I really dislike them for 99% of things. For giant machines screaming through material a downcut might make more sense but in general we are taking relatively light passes, so an upcut shoudl be fine.

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You are actually getting amazing results for such a heavy cut, 10mm DOC, 55mm/s, with a 15mm/s plunge, that is actually pretty insane.

I would put you at 6mm doc, 25mm/s, 8mm/s plunge.

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Oh my bad - my brain is all over the place today, this is an upcut bit

The one on the V1e store. You’re right that it rips through MDF! Amazing surface finish

Here’s some more information

I also tried this with an 0.3mm finishing pass, here are the results:

sounds like I should slow down quite a bit haha - I’ll give these feeds and speeds a try with this upcut bit

A 10% finishing pass is pretty standard. So do 0.6mm, full depth, at about 20mm/s

Definitely slow down for testing. A single flute upcut 1/4" in MDF can go super fast and the finishing pass should dial it in but for now just slow down and do a 6mm doc, then a full depth 0.6mm finishing pass.

You did all the squaring calibrations and z leveling already?

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I have done some squaring and Z leveling yes - I’m waiting to dial that in until I make a few changes to the Y axis length this weekend but then will really take the time to get it right

When I checked XY square before cutting the strut plates it was within a fraction of a mm across the entire 4x4 bed. Z height I got very very close as well with manual adjustment

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