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Where do I find this drawing? And when you specify centerline is that the center between the belts? If so it that basically where the front belt slots back wall is?

Trying to get my head around the distance from the center of the rail to the H2 nozzle and/or the orbiter nozzle.

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Printed. Not sure i can get it fitted in the next 4 days.

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Coming back around to this… @vicious1 can you point me in the right direction?

What drawing are you looking for exactly? The one that specifies the nozzle location? or the core?

The nozzle location. I think I figured out the references from the CAD. It looks like the nozzle location is referenced from the belt centerline and the center of the core.

I did some measurements in my CAD model with the Stealthburner in place and it looks like my nozzle offset is 0mm in X and 29mm in Y. This is 6mm further away from the centerline than the H2 according to the drawing above.

The nice thing is that it centers the bed!

Under Core, there should be one called “H2 Top” that I think was the original nozzle specification.

That sketch should use projections likely from the Frame & Bed sketch in the root sketches folder

oh… that’s the sketch you already had open…

so maybe the Frame & Bed sketch is what you are looking for?

I think I found that in the suppressed sections. Learning more every day!

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Sorry, fusion was not a good platform for me. That CAD is a mess.

eh, I think you did a damn good job on it!

Did I read that you were looking at OnShape?

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He’s using OnShape now.

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Yeah, I do like onshape more.

I find Onshape to be for more robust with projections and errors. That printer cad breaks if you change things very much, that makes parametric difficult.

Fusion wants everything in one file, parts to assemblies, I don’t like that very much. Onshape wants EVERYTHING in separate files, I am not super fond of that either, but it is better for most things.

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Okay,

I have been looking at other options.

What do we think about turning the x rail end for end so the belts are in back. This would put the standard configuration Voron head right at the same distance from the rail that it is on a Voron and possibly open up for some other Voron(ish) tool head options.

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That is a reasonable option. A napkin sketch would help, but more important is what would it mean fir the bed? Do we just slide the bed forward since the homing distance for Y is now offset forwardby whatever is hanging over the back of the rail.

I think we can trick the parameters into adjusting the build by using the nozzle offset numbers. I think It will do exactly what you said and shift the bed uprights forward and extend the t section of the bed support.

The concern I have is clearance from the front plane of the printer. I have been doing so modeling and looking at an alternative toolhead called Dragonburner. There is a senor and cutter mod available for it and it seems much more compact. It has support for lots of hotends including bot the V6 and the Revo Voron I am waiting for.

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if you put the front cross brace at the max of the printer frame, the front shouldn’t be a problem. If you are using the tilted fan, then that might be a problem. I’m using Ryan’s fan mount on the v5 core for the H2V2s, so the fan isn’t sticking out front anymore. I was looking today at rotating the X axis 180 degrees and I don’t think there would be any trick about it. It should just work. The belts face opposite each other. I could do it now except the extruder mount needs to be swapped sides to work. I really don’t see why it wouldn’t work to get that nozzle cantilever length reduced.

That is the thing. We wont be using a separate fan mount at all. The swapped version i am thining about uses fan on the side of the toolhead.

The Dragonburner toolhead is apparently much more compact and lighter than the Stealthburner. Additionally it is supposed to have better cooling due to better ducts and the twin 4010 blower fans.

Lots of good stuff in here…

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I was coming here to ask this lol. I have heard that the Stealthburner had :poop: cooling but I wasn’t sure about the Dragonburner. Haven’t ever used either one so good to know that the Dragonburner does have better cooling. Guys printing nothing but ABS dont care about cooling, but those of us that want to push PLA at crazy amounts need lots of cooling LOL

I am totally going by the things I read. I have notbised either of them yet!

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Roger that! I am excited to see what you come up with that’s for sure!