Der Froschkönig - Lowrider 3 in Oldenburg, Germany

If Y, XZ and YZ are square - does it not follow that XY will always be square? I would have thought that the out of square base to your print is due to a warp in the XZ?

But I am confused by all these X’s

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No, XZ is fine, as is YZ, those can be checked and adjusted reliably. XY would be twisting the arm back/forth, which they do not have in there. I guess there shouldn’t be any twist. :sweat_smile:

Not trying to argue, just get this right in my head - if that was the case, and everything else was properly squared, wouldn’t you still end up with a perfectly square model but not parallel to the sides of the build plate? Which is why there’s no need to square it?

I can’t really explain the maths to you, but there is a difference, maybe because there is only the one arm? After I was physical, it now is square. I tried to draw it as well, but it does not make complete sense in my head. :sweat_smile:

/edit: @bitingmidge I figured it out, with a printer of Ryan’s design, X/Y are one axis that moves in one direction, so what you drew would happen. For the Mini as a bedslinger X does not know what Y is doing, so the bed, Y, is going straight, while the X is crooked. That’s why the twist happens.

Reprint time…

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On the plus side: new used mini computer and touchscreen connected.

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@vicious1 I think I have figured out why the LR made groves when planing on the left side when everything else was straight. It could have to do with the brackets as well, since the ends are printed A/B, hence the orientation on one of them is different. So the 1mm error in my printer gets multiplied by 2 because of the mirrored part.

I really hope this is the reason or all of this. :stuck_out_tongue:

That would do it. I have thinking about ways to change this, or some test parts for people to print.

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Okay, it was not the braces (at least regarding the rubbing, it might have eliminated the other mistake, because they do look a tad different when placing them next to each other, like 0.4mm diffferent). It took me a while to undo all the wiring thanks to the TB6600, but I swapped all the braces, installed the bottom plate and just set the core on the rails. It looks basically exactly the same and it is still rubbing when I fasten the core’s screws to eliminate the rattling. Interestingly enough I can now see where it is rubbing: in the middle of the core. The cutout where the braces are going through is not even but coming up a little in the middle. I now have three options: sand it down at that part and hope the core is still stiff enough, try the core that warped while printing or print another core. I am kind of trending towards option one. :sweat_smile:

Thinking about it… it’s 8 screws, maybe should try the other one first… :slight_smile:

Mayhem:

So you had the core so tight it pulled in the X rails and bent the braces?

Nah, the braces were definitely off because of my printer, that’s what I mean. :slight_smile: And the core must have misprinted because of the same problem. Or because of the colour change. What do I know… -_-

That would have been a first and I would have renamed the whole thing to The Hulk… :joy:

Did you roll the tubes on the floor to see if you had a banana ?
If the braces are loose does spinning the tubes by hand show a spot that has more drag spinning than others?

No, they are fine. It’s the same rubbing for all of the braces, so it’s not specifically about a bend tube. I am going to try the second core, then sanding, then reprinting. :stuck_out_tongue:

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What a mess. I feel sorry for you. I‘d probably go with your option #3 an reprint the core…

Well I hope to be building a beam today, I will be taking a long hard look at it. your printer was pretty far off, but maybe I can figure out how to get a bit more adjustment for an LR4.

Thanks. If you made the bottom have a mm more room (Der Froschkönig - Lowrider 3 in Oldenburg, Germany - #181 by Tokoloshe, picture 3), then I think it wouldn’t be a problem at all. I know this is not your mistake, but maybe you could plan these parts with a little more tolerance? Or is the mm important for stability?

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Philipp sorry to hear about what you’re going through. Thank you for sharing your troubleshooting process and progress. Am learning lots…

The tight tolerance on the Core seems frustrating when people encounter it. But on the flip side, it’s been a helpful trip wire to detect when other issues/causes are at play. Hopefully any modifications will some how retain/add trip-wires/hints that something a) upstream went wrong, and/or b) something needs adjusting.

Future mods/versions with additional adjustments that guide (but not confuse) people to success sounds helpful.

The larger that gap the weaker the core. Everything has a tradeoff.

I think you will find a part printed more in tolerance there is not issue. I


Can’t really plan for printers to be that far out of square and still expect all the other things to fit as well.

Remember to check you XZ and YZ as well when you get a chance.

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Thanks Ryan, I went through the checks again, just to be sure and one of my other axis’ was off as well. Maybe my son moved the printer, he often watches it. Hard to say whether this was before or after the last core… Anyway, I am now printing my square again to check whether XY is still okay after doing the rest of the tuning, the rest was checked with the Prusa Guide. Will print a third core I guess.

Thanks for the picture Ryan, it shows me that my core definitely is off by so many mm… Frustrating, my wife is complaining because she does not want the printer to run over night. But eh, that’s the way it is. :stuck_out_tongue:

The thing that annoys me about the Mini that I actually like a lot is the first layer calibration that, because of the old, stupid sensor, varies from print to print. And the core needs a perfect first layer, otherwise there will be warping again.

P.S.: You should try my improved dust shoe. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Started the print five times until I had a good first layer. Prusa should have never sold this shitty Minda sensor…

Okay, 1% in, still looking good. No warping as of yet… :stuck_out_tongue:

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