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Some of that problem is just that there isn’t ‘that’ much of a supply of batteries, yet. With probably 99% of EV batteries ever produced still being on the road, that’s a huge difference in economies of scale between manufacturing and dismantling.

That’s an interesting consideration. That’s definitely a downside to structural packs, although not impossible from my understanding. A couple of the recycling processes I’ve heard of rely on shredding the entire battery and recovering the materials chemically, which may work better for structural packs.

That’d be nice, but it’s hard to state just how incredibly unlikely that would be. I think we’ll see more intra-brand modularity and potentially some shared platforms like with Kia/Hyundai, but there’s zero chance of an external standard without government intervention.

Indeed, but the theory is that a new vehicle into the fleet pushes an old vehicle out, or at least out of regular usage. The short answer is it’s a lot more complicated than that and involves a lot of modelling, so I stick with the conservative approach!

Indeed. There’s some truly horrifying research around showing the decline in IQ/standardised testing for kids living near US freeways. The Asthma and Respiratory Foundation in NZ ascribes 13,000k hospitalisations and 1.8M restricted activity days to human-made air pollution, at a cost of several $B a year to our economy. Conservatively assuming that half of that is ICE vehicle related, that’s a pretty big weight on the scales in favour of electrification.

Add to that the fact that we don’t produce any fuel locally, moving to EVs would potentially halve our trade deficit, as well, which would be a generational economic boon.

Etc. etc.

Back to the original topic, sort of, I was able to charge at RMRRF and I paid $3.48 to recharge for 60mi of usage. This was a lvl 2 charger. So pretty slow. But I got the best parking spot at RMRRF while I charged. It costs less than half that at home.

There’s quite an active group of eMoto riders here. I have a friend who has an original Harley Livewire and absolutely loves it. He’s very much not a Harley guy, I think he had some kind of super-tourer before that.

I guess it’s a bit of a weird situation for most motorcycles. Power-to-weight is important and batteries aren’t light. Electrification is such an easy win for something that needs 50-100km of range for daily commuting but a much harder sell for someone that wants to be able to do 200-400km once every other weekend during summer.

I have a 2001 Kawasaki ZRX1200. Had it maybe 20 or 21 years now

At the gas station right by the Denver airport this morning.

I waited as long as I could hoping the price would come down some. $5.399/gallon.

Dang. Its been down around $4.89/gal for Diesel around here the last week or so. Still way too high but better than$5.39 lol

Ha, our Diesel is $6.99 at Costco!

Just yesterday 87 octane Started 4.29. Lunch 4.65, end of day 4.99. that means 89 was 5.59, and 91 was 6.19 (just checked still today) Diesel 5.99

The best price I could find in my area today was 162.9/L for 87 octane (approx $4.50 USD/gal)

Bit late to this thread, but those NZ prices were brutal :grimacing: Been tracking the forecast here: fillorwait.co.nz

Were brutal but they’re still pretty up there. We’re seeing that reflected in the vehicle purchasing stats now. 25% of vehicles purchased last month were full EVs or plug-in hybrids.

Will be interesting to see what happens when road-user charges are added to all vehicles next year…

Today in SE Queensland, diesel is $2.91AUD per litre - around $7.50/US gal. That’s still about two thirds of EU prices.

Electric vehicle sales here are also going gangbusters, Tesla yesterday announced a drop on the model 3 to $45,000AUD (roughly $31k US) and we can buy a new BYD AttoEV for $19,000 AUD including all taxes. That’s around $13k US.

Remember of course that Teslas are built in China so they are competing in a different market.

Currently cars are the cheapest way of buying batteries for home installs, and vehicle to grid is finally now a thing, so you can “reverse charge” into the grid in peak demand times.

This is crazy, Michigan premium is 1.20 more than 87 octane! We already pay more since they destroyed the refineries we had, but I do not understand the 60 cent spread! It was crazy at 40 but now 60! Why, and whenever this goes up it never goes down, it is so sad! I am glad I don’t have anything that uses premium!

Well, in Lousiana, where it is usually on the cheaper side, Diesel hit $5.99 gallon last week when I stopped.

Thats $1 higher than I’ve ever seen it, even though gas is still at $3.75

When we got home Monday from Printopia, Diesel was $6.19 a gallon here. When I go to work for 28 days I put my truck in storage mode with the insurance so its cheaper, didn’t even take it out yet. Usually that’s the first thing I do lol. When Regular unleaded is $3.79 we just drive her Avalanche instead lol

Just returned from UK trip, diesel was painfully expensive, all because of one person.

J. D. Rockefeller??

2,14€ per litre ($2,41), so roughly $9,14 per gallon. It’s always been more expensive over here though, yours was mind boggling cheap, but our cars also in general use a lot less.

We have 10 000km on our e-bike in roughly two years and less than 3 000km on our car. So it does not bother us too much. :smiley:

Today, I paid $1.69Cdn/L. At today’s exchange rates, that works out to approximately 1.10€/L or $4.50USD/gal.
BTW, that was in St. Catharines, Ontario Canada. Prices here can vary considerably from one town to the next, even one station to the next so, once my fuel gauge drops below a half tank, I start keeping an eye out for who’s got the best prices.