New Lowrider V4 build in Ulm, South Germany

Hi everyone,

I built a Lowrider over the past few months and did already a few cuts. I have no table yet and still sort out a few things but the results are already pretty solid if I don’t cut to aggressive.

After lurking around here for almost a year I wanted to join the community and share some feedback and ask some questions.

So the machine is currently on top of 3 C-grade plywood sheets with another one as spoil board.
I wanted to cut the frame for the torsion box table out of that but I think I’ll get a MDF one and use two of the other sheets as top and bottom plates. On the left you can see some beams I want to use for the legs.

If you look close you can already see some spots where things got wrong. But I managed to build the plant stool and laptop stand from ZenziWerken with an OK quality. Also I did a lot of test cuts to get a better understanding of the machine. These are the test parts from @franklyrosalind torsion box table generator which I want to use for the table later.

I started planning the build around November last year, the general key attributes are:

  • Full sheet (2500mm x 1250mm)
  • Jackpot 1 controller
  • Makita clone router
  • Self-sourced, Alu plates from @Tokoloshe :waving_hand:
  • My brother-in-law printed the 3D parts for me, most is PLA except for the braces on the router and I think the jackpot box, these are made of some carbon reinforced stuff
  • vac with cyclone separator (this works insanely well)

So generally speaking it is an awesome machine Ryan, very nice work!
I had quite some struggle but I might have created an account earlier to get some help.
Here some feedback/problems, maybe it helps others:

  • The build took really long until I managed to cut the first parts, there were some unlucky circumstances for example where I had to move the machine but I also had several times some weeks a break. I do not recommend this, it costs extra time to get back into it.
  • Finding all the parts. I didnt want to import from US because the shipping is pretty expensive and Philipp didn’t had the full set back then. I really strongly recommend buying the set if possible, I spend way to much time getting all the parts
  • Follow the ‘yellow brick road’. It is so motivating to get the machine running so try to keep it as simple as possible first. I did build the pendant but don’t use it currently, so I’d better have focussed on the machine itself
  • Language - while my english is pretty solid there are still alot of special terms and parts in the CNC world which I needed to learn, so thats an additional challenge
  • Core wiggle, I did tighten the core like 3 times (yes wtf) maybe I was overly carefully at the beginning
  • without strut plates it was a mess. My strut plates are right now 4mm phenolic plywood (idk if thats the right translation, we say Siebdruckplatte in german) when I cut them the DoC was partially deeper because the surface is everything but flat and the force was so big that the whole XY plates would just get pulled to the center a few mm until the x-belt tension would get to low. On the other hand the Y trigger on Y0 would just drive past the screw instead of triggering. with the struc plates the gantry has the correct width now. But the strut plates are still pretty flexible so I bought a plate of 6mm HPL for new ones (the black plate in the picture)
  • after I moved the machine and reassembled it I did some calibration again and interestingly the value for the belt step length changed a bit. Like from 50.124 to 50.07 or so. Did anyone do the calibration as well after a while and had to change it?
  • I bought some thread locker, the red one instead of the blue, so might be worth adding an hint that you should use the blue one to the docs
  • the vac hose was to short. I just ordered 3m (how should that be enought for a full-size build lol?) So I ordered another 2m. Generally speaking it was quite a challenge to get into the whole topic and there is some info missing like that, it might help to have the values for atleast the standard sizes (full- / half- / quarter-sheet). I had for example to search for the required length of the endstop cables since I had really no clue. I found it under a video of aza I think. But I was pretty overwhelmed of the many topics so this info would maybe also be a nice addition.
  • The x-stepper plug would go off sometimes. Somewhere I found the tip with the drop of hot glue, very nice might also be a candidate for docs
  • The docs are generally very good, I really don’t want to complain
  • I tested 2-flute 1/8" upcut and 2-flute 6mm compression and now mostly use 6mm 1-flute upcut now. I do unterstand it now better why to use the 1-flute but should simply have sticked to the recommendations. Also the compression one is to long (32mm blade) There is so many details you are not aware of if you are new to the cnc topic…
  • Do you think it’s worth to get some 1/8" 1-flute upcuts or are the 6mm ones fine? I have read the deflection is much higher on the narrow ones.
  • my router is a cheap 60€ makita clone and I planned from the very beginning to replace it when I know what I need. So at least not to much money burned. But I mostly run it on 3 / 6 (22RPM) because lower it has pretty low torque. Maybe I will buy a AMB I’ve heard it is good?
  • I was losing some Z0 steps so I cleaned the leadscrew and lubed it, I also increased force by 0.1 amps, no more problems so far. But I also got aware I need to pay attention to the vac house there. When I have the table I want to find a better solution there.

Sorry for the wall of text, there is many more details and I think I will just add it when it comes to my mind, but at least I did open the topic for now…

So nice to meet you

Jannis

@azab2c @vicious1 I could not mention you in the post above, there is a limit of 2 for me

Hey Jannis! I love seeing builds coming together, knowing I was able to help the community out. :slight_smile:

Nah, where’s the fun in that? It took me three years to finally understand that for a 6mm 2-flute I had to go a lot faster than I was able to. So you were a lot faster there than I was. :smiley:

Looking forward to reading about your next projects. :slight_smile:

First, welcome to the community. It’s great to see new builds.

I would say it’s worth it to get some. If you want to do some pocketing you will want to have them for the areas that are too small for the 6mm bit.

It’s easier not to go too slow with the smaller ones. Sorotec sells you basically every endmill you could want. :slight_smile:

Welcome in finally and thank you for the feedback. Instructions for this type of thing are very difficult there are so many topics it is hard to go into great detail on everything without writing a book…but I will use you feedback and make some changes.

I did try to cut out the strut plates again, this time from HPL.
I didnt find 6mm MDF with 1419mm with (it’s only like 1398) and the bigger ones are 9mm+
So as you can see things got wrong but at least I think I do now understand what happened:


I drilled the holes first so I could put screws in these to skip the tabs.
settings were

  • 13mm/s x & y
  • 3mm/s z
  • 0.95mm doc
  • 15° plunge
  • single flute 1/8" upcut
  • 29k rpm

My machine seems to be pretty weak on the lower settings so I went a bit higher there.
Also since the spoilboard is not flat I started cutting in the air to make sure nowhere it is to much cutting depth.
Everything went good until like 60% in the job.
On the other end the cut looks solid.

The mill was coming on the top from the right and already like 3mm in.
Then it went back on the bottom and it got quickly very bad until it crashed on the other end.
You can see that the core loosens up a little

further down it lost y and x steps

and even more

Resulting finally in the crash.
I did check the core before the job so I can be sure it got loose during it.
I guess I need to add locktite to these screws too so the vibrations don’t mess it up.
Atleast I did unterstand now whats wrong there…

try 3mm DOC, 90 degree plunge, 12k RPM.

If the tip of your endmill is black/dark you need a new one, you might have burnt it.

Some pictures of your build might help.

++++ on checking if your bit has dulled or chipped, I totally ignored the fact that my extra long single flute plunged straight through till the makita hit the sheet and it was cutting at 35mm DOC for some time before I could run from the toilet to the machine, which had dulled my bit, but for some reason I didn’t think it would have at the time. All issues ive had after that were related to that dull bit. Now it cuts like a dream again.

EDIT!: I just noticed your dust hose setup, that hose is heavy I have the same one, I had my first crash exactly due to the hose getting in the way of the gantry and the core, Its heavy and can get stuck just enough to start skipping a few steps without you hearing it, once it skips a few, it will skip a lot more down the line of that cut. I still have issues with the hose and am working on different ways to set it up. It happened a few times before I decided to hang the hose from the ceiling, which is still not perfect. So now I’m trying to make a boom arm.