Lowrider In Education

I am a high school Engineering teacher and am interested in using the LowRider CNC as part of my class. We presently have 3D printing capabilities. I’m envisioning that my students would build the machine this year with emphasis on group project management, and it would be available for subsequent years. My requests:

  1. Ryan, would you be willing to contact me directly to discuss a couple of items?
  2. I saw a post somewhere on the forum that a V1 Engineering machine is already used in curriculum at a university, but have lost track of the post. Does anyone have information on where I can find successful instances of using these CNCs in education?
  3. I would welcome and tips or ideas that anyone has for lessons or projects. My students are capable designers with Autodesk Fusion, and we are just beginning 3D printing from their designs.

Thanks!

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Welcome. Paging Professor @stevempotter - he might have some insight into this.

Ryan’s forum user is @vicious1 - if you click that link you should get a pop up window with a direct message option.

Welcome, fellow Steve!

At Georgia Tech, I had the most fun teaching project-based learning. When my students made projects that improve the real world (like writing articles for Wikipedia, or making biomedical devices) they were very excited to do them. Those successes encouraged me to write a book, “How to Motivate Your Students to Love Learning" (Skaludy Press, 2020, available on Amazon), all about project-based learning.

I use my MPCNC and Handibot for teaching CNC/CAD/CAM classes now (as a freelancer), in Ireland. I always encourage the makers to make something meaningful or useful to them, rather than providing a set project or design. For them to make the actual machine they will be using is a great way to learn! I tutored one student 1-on-1 to help him make his own MPCNC and it was a great experience.

Go for it!

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Yes, let’s do what we can in the forums and email first. As a one man operation I am usually multitasking and phone calls can be surprisingly tough for me to find free time when I do not have multiple things happening.

The first one I remember, was a while back, 2018, but it stuck in my head. The students all built their own MPCNC. From there the assignment was design, build, code, use your own attachment.

I know of a few high schools that have had half the students build up the machines and table and the other half learn about CAM to use it.

Some schools just build them and have the students use them for projects.

A few angles you can take.

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It can really help other educators that might be thinking the same things too.

Obviously, if it is very private, or involves the privacy of a student, it shouldn’t be done in public.

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My work email address ends with .edu, though what I do is VERY different from typical classroom education or research.

I’ll second the call to do as much discussion as possible in public. Chances are that all of the educators seeking to do this kind of thing would benefit from hearing about each others’ activities and sharing their challenges.

I’ll also say that a number of the community members have had regular discussions about how to enable/encourage educator use of these machines. The challenges are unique to education and that’s unique by location.

More / better dialog about how we can help educators would be very welcome here in the forums.

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Obviously, I would love nothing more than to have to a little more plug and play lesson plan ready. It does just seem like each situation is unique, and each teacher wants a different outcome.

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Wow, I love that picture of all the MPCNC’s! I am very interested in an ongoing discussion of ways to get these into schools and help people use them.

My background is teaching and using makerspaces in elementary and middle school settings. I am out of the classroom now, but I would love to hear what people or doing or collaborate if people want ideas, help, or implementation.

I wonder if some kind of wiki or central location with curriculum stuff on it would be be a possible route.

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Thanks for all the thoughtful responses! The photo of multiple MPCNCs really got me thinking. While I still plan to start with one large machine (the Lowrider) for full-sheet projects, I’m now also drafting a grant proposal to build a farm of smaller ones. Out of curiosity—are those smaller machines disassembled each year so new students can rebuild them?

By way of background: I’m coming from industry and have been teaching about a year and a half. Before the switch, I had the chance to work with Tormach CNCs, and I’d love to give my students a similar, hands-on experience. I’ve had V1 Engineering bookmarked for years and believe it’s a perfect fit. My goal is to make machine control itself part of the curriculum—moving from basic Arduino stepper control, through single-axis g-code, to a full understanding of what CAM/slicer steps are doing.

This brings me to a request I was going to send @vicious1 directly but will share here. I know this has been discussed and I respect the reservations, but would it be possible to make solid models (.step files) available under a restrictive educational license? My students spend the first weeks of class in Autodesk Fusion, learning design, simulation, and technical drawing. For example, they’re currently iterating and stress-testing 3D printed bridges before building. Being able to assemble the CNC virtually—down to a torsion box table—would give them the chance to practice the same process: design, simulate, and verify fit before building.

I understand why only mesh files are released, but I can promise that any models provided for education would never be shared or used to alter the design. They’d simply let students break down the project into manageable pieces, assemble it digitally, and learn by doing—exactly the experience I want them to have before they ever touch the hardware. Iterations in future years might include building a cabinet around the machine for a laser engraver conversion.

To be clear, we’ll be ordering the Lowrider kit regardless and I sincerely appreciate your work. The solid models would simply make the opportunity more robust.

Ill second @Dandys_Farm suggestion to have a wiki or central location for exchange of lessons and curriculum ideas, and will gladly contribute my own as I figure it out. I’m building an Engineering program at my school, and this is our first year, so I’m still very much planning with a short horizon. I do have some vague ideas that will come into sharper focus when the time comes, but broad strokes:

  • Use the machine fitted with a paintbrush and provide explicit coordinates for tartar sauce cups filled with acrylic paint. This would be a fun way to learn about the coordinate system and gcode (for my high school Engineering students) and could also replace/supplement turtle programming with something more hands on (I also teach Computer Science, and teach 6th through 12th graders).
  • Use the machine to produce the necessary parts for a KidWind wind tunnel. My school participates in their annual wind turbine design challenge.
  • My students will participate in a cardboard boat challenge where human-scale boats are paddled by pairs of students. The machine with a laser cutter or drag knife could enhance this and make it a computer design activity that produces high precision parts for assembly (current methods are hand cuts with box cutters and liberal duct tape at the seams).
  • Collaborate with students from other departments. Graphic design students could design graphics for the decks of cornhole boards, with the machine engraving their designs and cutting the boards from plywood sheets.
  • Engineering students could design pick-and-place toolheads for the machine (I’ve seen hobbyist designs with a vacuum pump and a balloon filled with coffee grounds) and program the machine to relocate objects, perhaps moving chess pieces or similar.

Thanks for reading. I’m glad to have the support of this community!

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I don’t remember. I think they actually took them home. There were custom machines on smaller tubes.

I think that is a great plan. Building it gives such a good understanding of how it all works. Then you get the satisfaction of seeing something you built move….and then eventually make something. I still get a grin doing some hand coding as well

Not at this time. Believe it or not I still have not even finished my second revision of the instructions, and I have my hands full with the new Jackpot. Keeping track of more files is just not something I can not do right now.

I can make a separate forums section specifically for this. If it gets some attention and a solid plan maybe we can set up a section in the user docs as well.

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That was going to be my suggestion. I like the idea a lot. It would be awesome to get that going. It may require a bit more strict moderation. Not going off on tangents about bbq in the education section.

I could make the mkdoca builder we used for the v1 docs again for another project. That would be better for stuff that is more concrete. The mkdocs require a single dictator and information flowing one way (mostly, with some info coming back in, but getting heavily moderated). The forums can be more flexible.

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Since we seem to have some community interest, which I’m very grateful for, I’d be in favor of a system that would let me spitball some ideas for lessons and gather community input. That reflects where I am as a fairly new teacher. I’m happy to contribute what I have, but even happier to have that steered in new directions for better student experiences.

The forum might be a good place to start the ball rolling with this.

I won’t have much to contribute immediately. I’m planning and purchasing for late this semester or early into the new year. But I will gladly share what I learn, what works, and what doesn’t, as soon as I can!

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That might be a good evolution for the mpcnc - lower part count to make it something every student in a class can print and make.

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I think the forum section is a great spot. I have been on the team for installing some small hand tool and 3d printing makerspaces at schools in the Los Angeles area, and I was always interested in some way to make cnc a possibility for students as well. I think the idea of building and programming the machine as part of the learning would be super cool. Some ideas depending on age of students and capability of makerspaces:

  • cnc boxes from plywood with fitting together tabs. tolerances, hold downs, measuring
  • basic furniture. stools, chairs, tables, toys. Could be HS students building some of the toy boats, cars, boxes furniture for an adopted kindergarten classroom. Could watch students play, interview them and iterate.
  • sets and stage productions
  • signs for campus
  • arcade cabinets. include wiring, old monitor finding, and setup
  • Accessibility devices. stools, wheelchairs, braille on signs, shakey spoon holder things, reading assists, all sorts of accessibility furniture that is super expensive.
  • drawbots for art class
  • pcb making
  • sewing and pattern cutting
  • solar powered/ green energy. windmill blade carving on large machines
  • architectural maps.
  • So many things!

Could even have a help section on the forum for students to get help with designs, troubleshooting, CAD or CAM.

Huh, it would be pretty cool to have a makerspace with some kind of program like this.

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My Primo is now a plotter and is destined for school, but our Makerspace is lagging behind and we can’t really get it rolling… :frowning:

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Is this a coment on my cooking? I will respect the area :face_with_monocle::face_with_monocle: things. This is what I wish had been available when i was in school. But wood shop with tables saws and radial arm saws were common and auto shop also.

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We go on random wanders in our topics at times, sometimes spawning whole new high-view threads. Smoking Meat

(Which I know you’ve posted in; it’s more for context for others.)

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I know i don’t follow rules but will be good with the education it is something that hits home with me.:grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes: