LowRider CNC - Z axe Issue

Hi everyone,

I need some help. I’ve finally finished building my CNC and started testing it, but I’m running into an issue with the Z-axis. It seems like it doesn’t have enough power. When I try to lift the beam or perform homing, the motors make a noise and don’t rotate, almost as if they’re stuck. However, if I manually assist by turning them, they start working.

I’ve already tried adjusting the drivers to increase the current to the motors, but it didn’t solve the problem. For context:

  • I’ve updated FluidNC to the latest firmware downloaded from the official GitHub page.
  • My board is powered by a 12V, 5A power adapter.

Additionally, I’m wondering how to determine if the motors are receiving enough power:

  • Should the motors warm up during operation?
  • How quickly should they warm up, and is it normal for them to remain cold after running for an hour?
  • The Z-axis rail moves very smoothly without threads, so I don’t think there’s mechanical resistance causing the issue.

Could it be that I need to adjust specific settings for the Jackpot build? Any ideas? I’ve also recorded a video to better show the issue.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Could you please share the config. Yaml of your controller. (You are missing some torque because you are using only 12v to power the motors. But you should be able to home ) With the z nut disengaged, are you able to freely move your z axis up and down easly?

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Hi Cesar,

Thank you for your help! I’ll share the config.yaml a bit later when I’m back at my setup. I don’t believe this is a mechanical issue since, when the power is off, the beam drops down freely under its own weight.

I’ll update you soon with the configuration file so you can take a look. Thanks again for your assistance!

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In considering your issue, the noise is something to bear in mind.

I had a very similar issue, both in slowness/weakness, and harsh noise, and mine turned to be faulty wiring between the board and one of the stepper motors. Perhaps carefully recheck all your wiring connections and runs.

Many LowRiders have operated wonderfully for years on a 12v power supply, so I don’t think number of volts on the electrical power supply is the issue.

One ever present possibility is a loose grub screw (aka set screw). This has been the culprit more times than anybody can count. The cliche mantra “Have you checked your grub screws” is cliche for a reason. :slight_smile:

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@CesarH makes a good point about checking your config.yaml file. There can be issues there. If you cannot upload it directly (as a file) considering wrapping it in a Zip file, and uploading that instead. Finally, copying the contents and pasting them into a post, can also work. You can put a row of three “back tick” marks above and below the contents, so it gets formatted as code. Back tick marks = ```

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Hi Doug,

Thanks for the advice! I’ve checked the grub screws, and they seem secure. Regarding wiring, I’m not entirely sure—it’s a good point, but I’m guessing that if it were a wiring issue, the motors wouldn’t work at all. Still, I’ll double-check the connections just to be sure.

As for my config.yaml file, I couldn’t find a way to upload it directly here, so I’ll share the content below:

board: Jackpot TMC2209
name: LowRider
meta: 03-15-2024 RyanZ

planner_blocks: 32

stepping:
  engine: I2S_STATIC
  idle_ms: 255
  pulse_us: 4
  dir_delay_us: 1
  disable_delay_us: 0

uart1:
  txd_pin: gpio.0
  rxd_pin: gpio.4
  rts_pin: NO_PIN
  baud: 115200
  mode: 8N1

axes:
  shared_stepper_disable_pin: NO_PIN

  x:
    steps_per_mm: 50.000
    max_rate_mm_per_min: 9000.000
    acceleration_mm_per_sec2: 200.000
    max_travel_mm: 1220
    soft_limits: false
    homing:
      cycle: 3
      positive_direction: false
      mpos_mm: 0
      feed_mm_per_min: 300.000
      seek_mm_per_min: 1500.000
      settle_ms: 500
      seek_scaler: 1.100
      feed_scaler: 1.100
    #X
    motor0:
      limit_neg_pin: gpio.25:high
      limit_pos_pin: NO_PIN
      limit_all_pin: NO_PIN
      hard_limits: false
      pulloff_mm: 4.000
      tmc_2209:
        uart_num: 1
        addr: 0
        cs_pin: NO_PIN
        r_sense_ohms: 0.110
        run_amps: 0.800
        homing_amps: 0.800
        hold_amps: 0.500
        microsteps: 8
        stallguard: 0
        stallguard_debug: false
        toff_disable: 0
        toff_stealthchop: 5
        toff_coolstep: 3
        run_mode: StealthChop
        homing_mode: StealthChop
        use_enable: false
        direction_pin: I2SO.1
        step_pin: I2SO.2
        disable_pin: I2SO.0

  y:
    steps_per_mm: 50.000
    max_rate_mm_per_min: 9000.000
    acceleration_mm_per_sec2: 200.000
    max_travel_mm: 2440
    soft_limits: false
    homing:
      cycle: 2
      positive_direction: false
      mpos_mm: 0
      feed_mm_per_min: 300.000
      seek_mm_per_min: 1500.000
      settle_ms: 500
      seek_scaler: 1.100
      feed_scaler: 1.100
    #Y
    motor0:
      limit_neg_pin: gpio.33:high
      limit_pos_pin: NO_PIN
      limit_all_pin: NO_PIN
      hard_limits: false
      pulloff_mm: 4.000
      tmc_2209:
        uart_num: 1
        addr: 1
        cs_pin: NO_PIN
        r_sense_ohms: 0.110
        run_amps: 0.800
        homing_amps: 0.800
        hold_amps: 0.500
        microsteps: 8
        stallguard: 0
        stallguard_debug: false
        toff_disable: 0
        toff_stealthchop: 5
        toff_coolstep: 3
        run_mode: StealthChop
        homing_mode: StealthChop
        use_enable: false
        step_pin: I2SO.5
        direction_pin: I2SO.4
        disable_pin: I2SO.7

    #A
    motor1:
      limit_neg_pin: gpio.35:high
      limit_pos_pin: NO_PIN
      limit_all_pin: NO_PIN
      hard_limits: false
      pulloff_mm: 4.000
      tmc_2209:
        uart_num: 1
        addr: 3
        cs_pin: i2so.14
        r_sense_ohms: 0.110
        run_amps: 0.800
        homing_amps: 0.800
        hold_amps: 0.500
        microsteps: 8
        stallguard: 0
        stallguard_debug: false
        toff_disable: 0
        toff_stealthchop: 5
        toff_coolstep: 3
        run_mode: StealthChop
        homing_mode: StealthChop
        use_enable: false
        step_pin: I2SO.13
        direction_pin: I2SO.12
        disable_pin: I2SO.15

  z:
    steps_per_mm: 200.000
    max_rate_mm_per_min: 1200.000
    acceleration_mm_per_sec2: 80.000
    max_travel_mm: 300.000
    soft_limits: false
    homing:
      cycle: 1
      positive_direction: true
      mpos_mm: 0
      feed_mm_per_min: 300.000
      seek_mm_per_min: 800.000
      settle_ms: 500
      seek_scaler: 1.100
      feed_scaler: 1.100

    motor0:
      limit_neg_pin: NO_PIN
      limit_pos_pin: gpio.32:high
      limit_all_pin: NO_PIN
      hard_limits: false
      pulloff_mm: 4.000
      tmc_2209:
        uart_num: 1
        addr: 2
        cs_pin: NO_PIN
        r_sense_ohms: 0.110
        run_amps: 0.800
        homing_amps: 0.800
        hold_amps: 0.500
        microsteps: 8
        stallguard: 0
        stallguard_debug: false
        toff_disable: 0
        toff_stealthchop: 5
        toff_coolstep: 3
        run_mode: StealthChop
        homing_mode: StealthChop
        use_enable: false
        step_pin: I2SO.10
        direction_pin: I2SO.9
        disable_pin: I2SO.8

     #B
    motor1:
      limit_neg_pin: NO_PIN
      limit_pos_pin: gpio.34:high
      limit_all_pin: NO_PIN
      hard_limits: false
      pulloff_mm: 4.000
      tmc_2209:
        uart_num: 1
        addr: 3
        cs_pin: i2so.19
        r_sense_ohms: 0.110
        run_amps: 0.800
        homing_amps: 0.800
        hold_amps: 0.500
        microsteps: 8
        stallguard: 0
        stallguard_debug: false
        toff_disable: 0
        toff_stealthchop: 5
        toff_coolstep: 3
        run_mode: StealthChop
        homing_mode: StealthChop
        use_enable: false
        step_pin: I2SO.18
        direction_pin: I2SO.17
        disable_pin: I2SO.16

#  c:
#    steps_per_mm: 80.000
#    max_rate_mm_per_min: 5000.000
#    acceleration_mm_per_sec2: 100.000
#    max_travel_mm: 300.000
#    soft_limits: false
#    homing:
#      cycle: 0
#      positive_direction: true
#      mpos_mm: 150.000
#      feed_mm_per_min: 100.000
#      seek_mm_per_min: 800.000
#      settle_ms: 500
#      seek_scaler: 1.100
#      feed_scaler: 1.100
#
#    motor0:
#      limit_neg_pin: gpio.39:low
#      limit_pos_pin: NO_PIN
#      limit_all_pin: NO_PIN
#      hard_limits: false
#      pulloff_mm: 3.000
#      tmc_2209:
#        uart_num: 1
#        addr: 3
#        cs_pin: i2so.22
#        r_sense_ohms: 0.110
#        run_amps: .8
#        homing_amps: 0.800
#        hold_amps: 0.050
#        microsteps: 16
#        stallguard: 0
#        stallguard_debug: false
#        toff_disable: 0
#        toff_stealthchop: 5
#        toff_coolstep: 3
#        run_mode: StealthChop
#        homing_mode: StealthChop
#        use_enable: false
#        step_pin: I2SO.21
#        direction_pin: I2SO.20
#        disable_pin: I2SO.23

i2so:
  bck_pin: gpio.22
  data_pin: gpio.21
  ws_pin: gpio.17

spi:
  miso_pin: gpio.19
  mosi_pin: gpio.23
  sck_pin: gpio.18

sdcard:
  cs_pin: gpio.5
  card_detect_pin: NO_PIN
  frequency_hz: 20000000

probe:
  pin: gpio.36:low
  toolsetter_pin: NO_PIN
  check_mode_start: true

start:
  must_home: false

coolant:
  flood_pin: gpio.2
  mist_pin: gpio.16
  delay_ms: 0

control:
  safety_door_pin: NO_PIN
  reset_pin: NO_PIN
  feed_hold_pin: NO_PIN
  cycle_start_pin: NO_PIN
  macro0_pin: NO_PIN
  macro1_pin: NO_PIN
  macro2_pin: NO_PIN
  macro3_pin: NO_PIN

macros:
  startup_line0:
  startup_line1:
  macro0:
  macro1:
  macro2:
  macro3:

user_outputs:
  analog0_pin: NO_PIN
  analog1_pin: NO_PIN
  analog2_pin: NO_PIN
  analog3_pin: NO_PIN
  analog0_hz: 5000
  analog1_hz: 5000
  analog2_hz: 5000
  analog3_hz: 5000
  digital0_pin: gpio.26
  digital1_pin: gpio.27
  digital2_pin: NO_PIN
  digital3_pin: NO_PIN

#Laser:
#  pwm_hz: 5000
#  output_pin: gpio.27
#  enable_pin: NO_PIN
#  disable_with_s0: false
#  s0_with_disable: true
#  tool_num: 0
#  speed_map: 0=0.000% 255=100.000%
#  off_on_alarm: true

# pwm:
#  pwm_hz: 5000
#  direction_pin: gpio.14
#  output_pin: gpio.27
#  enable_pin: NO_PIN
#  disable_with_s0: false
#  s0_with_disable: true
#  spinup_ms: 0
#  spindown_ms: 0
#  tool_num: 0
#  speed_map: 0=0.000% 1000=100.000%
#  off_on_alarm: false

# 5V out gpio.26/27
# VMot out gpoi.2/16
# In's left to right gpoi.25/33/32/35/34/39/36

Let me know if there’s anything specific I should check or tweak in the settings. I appreciate all the help!

Have you lubed your Z screws? I had a similar issue on my LR3 specific to the bottom of Z travel and that was the resolution for me.

The amp settings in your config.yaml look fine.

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This right here…

Agreed.

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Thank you all for your help and suggestions! After checking everything, I found that one of the screws wasn’t working properly—it seemed there was an issue with the connector between the motor and the screw.

I replaced it with a spring connector and also took the time to lubricate both the rails and screws on both sides, leaving my bambu without the lubes :sweat_smile: .

It seems like the problem is resolved now—everything is running smoothly! I really appreciate everyone’s input and support.

Thanks again!

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For the Z axis, please use 480.00

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Also limit this to 480.00

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Thank you, Cesar! I’ll definitely consider your suggestion and adjust the Z-axis settings as you recommended. I really appreciate your guidance and support!

I use 2000 btw… :joy:

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Nice. But he is using 12v to power everything

Ah, then you are right! :slight_smile: Thanks.

I just tested it with the default speed settings, made my first cut, and it looks like everything is working well! Thank you all for your help and suggestions—really appreciate the support!

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