at 30,000 RPM you should have a single flute endmill, a 4 flute is basically spinning more than 4 times too fast, trying to start a fire, not actually cutting anything.
from my modest experience:
- 30k rpm in poplar plywood with a 2 flute upcut end mill will do 20mm/s easily, with a 4mm DOC, and 15mm/s with a downcut one
- downcut kinda needs vacuuming or something that blows chips out of the way, because it tends to pack them into the groove; before I built a vacuum attachment, my makita router did this itself because it is air cooled and blows the air down with the force (and noise) of a shop vac; the downside was, of course, that dust and chips went everywhere
- 4 flutes is too much for wood, there is no room for evacuating chips so you need to go slow and adjust RPM accordingly, unless you want to start a fire; even 2 flute bits made for metal have the same issue (no space for chips)
get some 1 or 2 flutes compression or downcut bits, they give the cleanest results (straight 1-flute bits work as well, but you’ll have to sand a bit and I don’t think they make them in small diameters)
also, see this for a visual comparison of different cutter types in plywood: https://invidio.us/watch?v=2FjXsZKrobQ (I remember seeing one that did the same kind of comparison, but included acrylic and possibly other plastics a long time ago, but I can’t find it now)
Thank you very much guys!
Based on your answers, I think I need to find these end mills and to set them up like this:
- Ø1mm Compression (up-down) end mill with 2 flutes [feed-rate 20mm/s, 29k RPM, 2mm depth/pass] (but maybe I should aim at something pointy instead, I really don't know..)
- Ø2mm Compression (up-down) end mill with 2 flutes [feed-rate 20mm/s, 29k RPM, 5mm depth/pass]
- Ø6mm Compression (up-down) end mill with 2 flutes [feed-rate 10mm/s, 29k RPM, 5mm depth/pass]
Do you think it will do?
I'm having a hard time searching for these 3 tools online (especially if I want to keep them the same total length, because my MPCNC can't get really high).
Also, I really can't find something smaller than Ø2mm. Is that because it would be too weak?
Can you recommend me a website that will sell that?
I dont know if its just me but this rpm looks realy hight for me. im guess you will tear down endmill quick. And probably like Ryan say some fire.
Really? That sound frightening, thank you for noticing that!
If 29000 RPM is too high, I can set the speed to 13000 RPM, 17000 RPM or 22000 RPM.
Which one could be the best (for compression end mils with 2 flutes) ?
I found quite nice results with around 17000 but evrything its depends on machine, material, speed that you are truying to cut and how dep. You need to find sweet spot.
Thank you, that’s really helpful!
The material is going to be plywood or MDF (medium density wood).
The speed is probably going to be between 10mm/s and 20mm/s, depending on the diameter of the end mills (I intend to use Ø1mm, Ø2mm and Ø6mm).
For the depth, m0n5t3r kindly showed me a picture where we can see a 5mm deep cut in one pass but I should probably try something more shallow at first, like 2 or 3mm deep.
(I really hope that you understand me, my English is far from good)
with 2mm endmill in mdf i will try this 16000rpm 5mm DOC , 6mm/sec feed and adjust from that you can go faster but shalow passes 2mm DOC, 15mm/sec.
I will do as you say. Thank you very much!
Don’t use compression bits unless you’re doing full depth cuts. They’re not cheap, and anything other than full depth is just a waste of money.
Thank you, I will have to do full depth cuts, so I have to use compression bits.
You’re right, they are quite expensive, but I don’t mind spending 50$/€ for two end mills if the counterpart is getting clean results at the bottom and the top (and not burning my house down)
But now that I know what I need I can’t find it anywhere…
2 flutes flat compression end mill Ø1mm, 2mm and 6mm seem to be some kind of unicorn end mills…
I think I’ll just switch the Ø1mm for a spherical end but I just can’t get the two other ones.
Gosh I feel helplessly ignorant about all of that. It’s really frustrating.
Never-mind, I’ll go with the flat ones.
30k RPM is what the typical palm router will do (I used a makita 3709 before switching to a water cooled spindle), it’s not that unusual;
please mind the endmill diameter, 2mm will do 20mm/s at 30k RPM, but I wouldn’t try this with 1mm ones: the cutting edge’s speed will be half of a 2mm endmill at the same RPM, and then you also have to look up acceptable chip loads for the thing, and halve them just to be sure
I haven’t seen compression cutters smaller than 1/8 inch / 3.175mm or straight cutters smaller than 4mm at the usual suspects (aliexpress); 6mm ones are pretty easy to find and hard to break, but they won’t work for small features due to their size (edit: search for “up down cut”, because reasons…).
So, according to everyone’s advises, I made that :
Do you think it make sense for the 3 tools?
(for the records, I can only use 13k, 17k, 22k, 29k, 31k and 33k RPM)
Here in Australia I use “Adam’s Bits” great qulaity & price. I purhased several Compression bits (profile cutting ) on my Makita router. ALso bought a few tapered round nose bits.