Anybody speak this language?

I am still waiting for the ISP to respond to the DMCA. The one company MarkMonitor called and said they do not host the site. So hopefully the other ISP is the right one.

This morning I received another email from MercadoLibre, “you are missing information please fill out this form and resubmit” I asked what I could possibly be missing I have submitted them a DMCA and filled out there “from” twice and submitted all the information in the previous emails. They never answer that question, but they will respond to anything else I ask though. I take that back the one time they replied to that they said I needed to prove that I had an Argentinian patent.

Irresponsible use of corporate power.

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I´m also look ing for a good open hardware licensing for a future non cnc related project. It seems that the OSHWA http://certificate.oshwa.org offers more instruments of protection than the more passive CC does.

I didn´t ordered parts from your shop as it is located within the US and I usally try to get parts from closer sources. Maybe there is a chance to have some sort of european or other regions small distribution points.

What currency are they using for these prices?

Argentine Pesos I believe, worth about 6 cents US so divide by 16 to get USD.

Hi, all
I follow the vicious project with lot of attention and I want to buy the kit soon and I’m horrified at what I see.
I´m from Chile and use a lot Mercadolibre in my country. It’s more like ebay where somebody sell any product new or used. If you need translation please send me a complete message and I make the translation. My english is not good but I can read it without problem, and if I´m trouble, my wife speak english as a second lenguage .
If you want, I can write a warning message on the sale with a link at your correct site .

last one, I was able to open the excel file but with a little trick: the original file has 6 tab, so I separated the file in 2.

I really sorry what is happening and I hope it will be resolved as soon as possible
best wishes

FORMULARIO-INGLES1-3.xls (105 KB)

FORMULARIO-INGLES4-6.xls (97 KB)

Thanks for the offer. I have my fingers crossed this will get worked out soon.

It looks like it has been removed from mercateo. :slight_smile:

I have a new representative asking for the same information again. And so the goose chase starts over with a new person.

Hello Ryan Zellars,

I understand the nonconformity by the delay, but we need to complete all your data and to have all the documents that show that you are proprietary of the right that want to adhere to the program.

We need that you send us the following:

Official documents certifying the ownership of the intellectual property rights that you want to adhere to the site. Please remember that you can only adhere registered rights that have already been granted (we cannot accept pending procedures) in Artgentina, since that is where you want to report an infringement. 

The adhesion form, signed by either the owner of the intellectual property rights or her legal representative

    In case the form is signed by a legal representative, you must also send over a document (such as a letter of authority or a POA) where the owner grants representation faculties to the representative.

When we have these data, will proceed to make your adherence, and like this will be able to begin to report.

We have to respect our program, and is responsibility of the beaux to adhere the offer the information requested.

Looking forward to your answer!

Regards,

Sebastián
Mercado Libre

Official documents certifying the ownership of the intellectual property rights that you want to adhere to the site. Please remember that you can only adhere registered rights that have already been granted (we cannot accept pending procedures) in Artgentina, since that is where you want to report an infringement.

From a little googling, it looks like Argentina has a treaty with the US to enforce the US copyrights, so all you should need to send them is the CC license (I got this from your TV page). I would hope you don’t have to translate it.

It seems like sections 3, and 4 are pretty clear. They have to give you credit, they can’t include it in a “collection” after you ask to take it down, and they can’t make it “in any manner that is primarily intended for or directed toward commercial advantage or private monetary compensation”. You might want to try to translate that argument, along with attaching the license in English.

From what I can see, the CC license is pretty clear. It copyrights it, and then grants license to use it in certain cases, and then explicitly limits it to non commercial use, and enforces attribution, even if there are changes to the work. I’m no lawyer, but that’s what I’d do.

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I have sent that to 3 different reps now…

I have to say sadly, welcome to South America. Bureaucracy a lack of recognition of intellectual property are frequent problems here.

I could not find where the copyright is located on the page, please indicate where it is to make an indication on the sale page.

About CC License, I found the argentinian version but looks more aplicable to music … https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/ar/legalcode

I upload a pdf of the mercadolibre page about " I own a right and I want to report a publication"… and a form about model or industrial design rights…

Ayuda-con-Mercado-Libre-soluciones-información-y-más-Mercado-.pdf (407 KB)

modelos-o-diseños-industriales.pdf (164 KB)

Right now there are no more mpcnc publications in mercadolibre

http://listado.mercadolibre.com.ar/mpcnc#D[A:mpcnc]

Do a search for “cnc” first result
That is a guy that promised to take them down as well.

Yeah, I see more than a half dozen on just the first page of a ‘cnc router’ search.

@Vicious1 One step that you might be able to make without too much difficulty is to put a reasonably prominent statement of your IP position on this website. I only realized that you were genuinely running this as a business when a) I read this forum thread, and b) popped over to Thingiverse to check the license. I worked it out, but it’s not clear. Before that, I thought we were in Reprap territory.

My buddy who sold a book of cartoons did a nice one:
http://www.fudebakudo.com/copyright
with the key phrase: “This is our side of the deal — we give you free stuff, so you don’t have to steal the stuff we ask you to pay for. So please play fair.” I like it - it’s not bitter or complaining, and it just explains the deal.

GIven that your market is “people who are into building hobby CNC machines”, you’re neither selling to faceless organizations nor the mafia. It’s a mostly cooperative community, and kit or not, mere involvement takes a significant amount of time, learning, and sacrifice. Making your business position, and what rights you grant and which you withhold, crystal clear might be enough that even if you can’t stop the leeches, you might get their potential customers on your side.

Before I started printing the MPCNC, I read every page on this site. I wanted to know “is this thing real?” “is the building part just the first 5% of a year of pain?” “are people really going to carry on developing all this neat stuff?”. Once I saw the quality of the parts I was printing - which have a feel and solidity to them I hadn’t thought my printer was capable of - I was pretty keen to see what else you might produce in future. Like an earlier poster said: you have fans. If I had been about to buy an unapproved kit, and read that you disapproved, I’d certainly have thought twice.

Mbef

Thank you for that. I appreciate it. I will find a place to put this information, ASAP.

I think you are 100% correct I need to be more clear about this. That quote is pretty spot on I’ll have to ask them if I can use it if I give them credit!

I have a hard time putting all this in words. Replying to these posts takes a lot of effort to keep them civilized. My poor friends have to listen to me cuss this company out several times a day.

I’ve sent an email to an ex co-worker that now is working for MercadoLibre… lets cross the fingers.

Martin, that would be amazing.

And again, The link leads directly to the spreadsheet talked about about. My conversation with this rep started with my submission of that spreadsheet…

Hello Ryan Zellars,

In order fill in complaints against items that infringe your intellectual property rights, you must be part of the Intellectual Property Protection Program (IPPP).

The IPPP is a free program designed to protect the owners of intellectual property rights by removing from the site the items that infringe those rights. Therefore, individuals who consider that their rights are or might be injured by any publication in Mercado Libre can join the IPPP and request for items to be removed from the site.

Joining is very simple! Just go to Intellectual Property Protection Program.

and follow the steps to complete the form according to the right you would like to protect (brand, copyright or models or industrial designs).

Please remember that this Program is intended only for complaints affecting your intellectual property rights. We will not consider complaints related to other situations such as exclusivity agreements, licenses or distribution rights.

Please do not hesitate to contact me if there is anything else I can help you with. Best,

Regards,

Sebastián
Mercado Libre