3D scabbard (saya) for a japanese sword (here a bokken)

Hi,

I am trying to realize some parts for my training sword ( so called Bokken). Therefore I started to create some 3D-parts.
Here my first results.
Target is to create a scabbard (saya) for a wakizashi bokken (small japanese sword). For these initial tests I used European beech.
1st side, which will be the inner side of the scabbard.


2nd side, which will be the outer side.

I have to say, that for this test I used a normal 8mm miller so the structure is not very fine but the result is really cool. Of course there is the need to do some manual finish.




The opening of the scabbard (Saya) is called Koiguchi (mouth of the koi carp) :wink:

Bevore glueing it together there need to be done some works.
Also the outside part needs to be revised and at the end to be coloured.
For the Katana specialists: I know, currently the kurigata is still missing, but it is planned to create one :wink:

As mentioned before, this was only the first test. For the next 3D-parts it is planned to use some exotic woods.

But I have some questions:

  • Normally I can mill (with my MPCNC) only parts up to 50cm (ca. 20 inches)
  • I would like to create some 3D parts up to 100 cm (40 inches). Therfore I need to mill every side in multiple steps because I have to move the wood after each step over the board.
  • Has anyone experiences with 3D-milling, 2 sides in multiple steps?
  • Problem e.g. in EstlCAM is, that you have to turn the parts in x-direction. Much easier would be to turn in y-direction (in my opinion)

I also tried to contact @christian-knuell if there is any trick or recommendation.

Any help is really appreciated
Ciao
DJ

PS: @Tokoloshe I promised to publish :laughing: :laughing:

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Yeah, very nice. I really love those! :slightly_smiling_face::heart:

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We do not see all that much two-sided milling here. That is such a great example, Great job. Please keep posting updates as you go.

Unfortunately, I am not sure about estlcam for that. I have three suggestions though, you can make you MPCNC into a longer rectangle (couple new tubes and belts) and skip the multiple flips, swap out to a LR4, or fusion CAM might make all those flips easier.

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I will post the next step of the scabbard.

I will have a look to Fusion CAM, Thanks!

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Impressive work!

@DJPicasso , Pretty cool. Couple questions.

  • Are you planning on using traditional or modern day glue?
  • Did you think about changing the cut direction (up and down in your first photo vs left to right) and using a ball/round nose bit to see if it will reduce your finishing?
  • What version of Estlcam are you using? I had tried a 3D carve in 12 but I couldn’t find an option to add tabs.

Very cool.

I teach kendo here, and our club also does iaido. I have made and repaired saya, but not on the CNC. Yet.

I have been playing with the idea of 2 sided milling to make a bokuto, and matching saya, but haven’t yet taken the plunge.

Hi @Bigchepin

I am using normal modern glue, not traditional
I will try to change some parameters the next time. I also got some different millers like balls etc.
Currently I am using version 11 so the older version.

@SupraGuy
This was the first time I used the cnc. Up to now I did all manually.
As mentioned I will try to realize the bokken and saya out of exotic wood.
Forgot to mention: I am doing Battojutsu.

These are some examples of the manual works :wink:
I use this (sharp) Katana below also for (single, standalone) training. The blade is from Edo period (so round about 350-400 years old). Only the Koshirae is new.

The old Tsuka and the new parts


First step for adaption

Glueing but also with modern glue

Getting the form of the Tsuka based on the form of the sword

Details of the Tsuka form

Ready for the ray skin, Fuchi, Kashira and the Tsuka Ito

The form is very important to have a good feeling for the sword

Tsuka with ray skin

Last step the Tsuka Ito with Hishigami, Menuki etc.

And so it looks after putting a new Saya, Habaki, Tsuba, Tsuka etc. to a beautiful blade :heart_eyes:

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That scabbard’s slick. Flip y-axis—x-axis is asking for trouble.

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OK, next working step.
Starting with:

First I have burnished the outside with a planner and I have adapted the opening so that the thicker part of the sword (Habaki) fits into the scabbard. This part is locking the sword in the scabbard

2nd step: sandpaper (80), 3rd step: sandpaper (180), 4th step: sandpaper (800)




Currently missing:

  • Kurigata, the “knob” at the scabbard where the Sageo (cord) will be attached at the scabbard
  • the scabbard needs to be oiled
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Last steps

Built a Kurigata (knob at the outer part of the scabbard) and oiled the wood.


The Kurigata has different functions at the scabbard but I will not explain for not getting boring :wink:

OK, ready for using the Wakizashi Bokken with Saya for training :heart_eyes: :heart_eyes: :heart_eyes:

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Very nice! I built my own bokken by hand years ago and alway wanted to make a scabbard for it but never got around to it. Would have been nice to have a CNC back then.

I also purchased The Craft of the Japanese Sword to eventually try to make my own someday. Still on the bucket list. :grin: Keep up the great work.

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@vicious1
I think I found a way to use my PRIMO and EstlCAM … working in multiple steps and mill parts up to 100cm (40 inches) or larger on both sides.
It will need some “calculations” in moving the origin for the multiple steps but should work

I will test it … :wink:

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