Open hardware in 3d printing is dead!

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… are still clinging to the open source hardware model and finding clever ways to inflict their standards on others! :rofl:

Open Print Tag is Here.

The more I think about this the cleverer it becomes. A few filament manufacturers are on board, a few printer manufacturers seem to be supporting it, and it might end up being a shot fired back at the proprietary filament kids (you know who you are) to prevent them getting traction.

None the less I’m looking forward to seeing what sort of hardware retrofit is coming in the new year - then I might actually buy some stickers just to control my inventory!

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Another compromise in the open source hardware evolution perhaps?

Prusa seems to be working hard to tread a very fine line here. There’s nothing we couldn’t measure of course, but … the licensing explanation is interesting and quite clear I think.

Hmmm, GitHub - OpenCommunityLicence/OpenCommunityLicence, OCL is what I have always wanted since day one.

A small handful of people passionately hate this idea. I am so interested to see how this plays out. I wonder how many YouTube videos are going to touch on this new license.

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Interesting.
I Just downloaded the F3D and STEP files for my Core One L.

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Is that the kind of anti-Prusa ā€œthey preach open source but don’t release all of itā€ hate?
I don’t get the community hate.

I don’t get the ā€œunless you release the cad files it’s not open sourceā€ hate either. It smacks to me of lazy untalented people who just want a free ride, but if there’s stuff (like the CoreOne frame) that is easy to copy and doesn’t hold any particular IP value I also don’t get why the reluctance to release stuff?

Apple release detailed drawings of all of their products for the benefit of accessory makers, why not cad files?

I don’t get a lot of stuff!! :grin:

It’s a long read, (the original article) - I am considering changing all my licenses just to give a small amount of momentum to the project.

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The share alike part is odd, but someone already opened an ā€œissueā€ about it.

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Maybe I’m not understanding and fully appreciating the positive impact of these changes. But OCL seems like incremental step forward beyond non commercial for most Makers. And, Prusa will continue filing patents to protect their growth and existence.

But… Nothing meaningful is being done at gov policy level, or by enablers (e.g. Amazon and ebay) to aggressively stop bad actor behavior of stealing/trolling IP. That seems to be the real immediate and long term problem for Makers, Designers and Companies struggling to compete on price and execution?

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I bet those are all people who haven’t created something cool ever or don’t need it to live…

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Interesting topic. I think this is something that inevitably plays out everywhere, with all kinds of products and even in subcultures without a product where it’s fame and recognition instead of money or profit.

Patent issues aside, it had to only be a matter of time before someone like Bambu came along and nailed the marketing side, appealed to normies, and took all the profit and praise, leaving most people ignorant of what came before and the shoulders they’re standing on.

It sucks, but on the other hand it progresses things forward as 3dprinting become so mainstream surely?

It must feel a bit surreal for people who’ve been into them for so many years as a niche thing seeing it blow up like a new craze, kids getting A1s for Christmas and that.

Also I see there are open source alternatives to AMS, like BMCU and so on, I wonder how that will play out.

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Maybe, maybe not. The explosion in consumer 3D printing happened because key patents held by companies like Statysys expired so suddenly anyone was free to make a ā€˜computer controlled machine that extrudes heated plastic’. And that’s where reprap began.

If (insert company here) innovates and then patents and ring fences all those improvements based on work that others have done it only benefits them not everyone.

Likewise, they don’t tie you into a cloud service because it’s good for you, it’s good for them.

Prusa’s licence model makes perfect sense to me. You’re free to use the designs, even if you’re a business. The one thing you can’t do is use them to compete against me by selling them.

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If they do fence off any software or hardware innovations, aside from leaving a bad taste in people’s mouths, would it really make that much of a difference at the current stage in 3d printing development? Some groundbreaking innovation, of course, or as you mentioned, the ability to heat plastic and extrude it which basically covers 3d printing in general, but little innovations, would it not just be Apple & Android at this point? I’m sure that’s a cliche analogy but it makes sense.

Apple have their eco-system, small innovations they patent or lock down, but Android basically has their own versions or ways to do the same thing regardless, so the actual effect on consumers is not that major.

I guess my point is - yes, it’s kind of a scummy business move when building off what an open-source community has created, but I don’t see it having a massive impact unless they 1. create and patent something groundbreaking that cannot be replicated at all, in any other way, or 2. somehow manage to get universal patents on existing technology at the base level i.e a machine that extrudes plastic. How likely#2 is I don’t know, but surely there are mechanisms in place to prevent it (I know this whole topic centers around that, but it’s more ā€˜what if’ than anything concrete as far as I can tell)

The improvement in Slicer software over the last few years has been extraordinary. I think that has had a lot to do with the open source nature of Slic3r which Prusa forked about ten years ago, and subsequently other brands followed and have really been driving each other.

Your comment implies that development might be at some sort of plateau, but I think the opposite is true - watch the next year or two for new materials, new speeds previously thought impossible, and multi tool, multi axial printing hasn’t even started really.

Would it make a difference? I think you only have to look at the reality of the independent CAM software developers to see how difficult making any great leap is without a community behind it. I may be wrong of course, this is not my area of expertise, but that is my observation.

Statsys jealously guarded and took legal action against people for infringing their patents. It’s also worth mentioning these were patents they bought or acquired through taking over companies, not their own development.

So say Bambu got granted a patent for a quick change hotend using inductive heating and magnetic coupling. Or a system for managing multiple filaments. They could do what stratasys used to - take competitors or ā€˜infringing designs’’ to court and who has the money to fight a big company? Even if they’re right it would ruin them to do it.

Not just them, anyone else too as the Prusa blog post notes - someone got granted a patent for a design they saw online and then tried to sue is currently suing the original creator for distributing their own work!

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The open-source community isn’t going to stop developing because Bambu close off their development right? So, the worry is that Bambu come up with something first, patent it, and there’s no way to do the same thing?

No that’s not it at all. Of course companies can innovate and protect their genuinely novel and innovative work.

What they more often do, and I’m looking at you makerbot, is take others work claim it as their own and prevent others from using it. Or charging them to do so. Or stifle rivals’ by filing vexatious claims against their work.

This has all happened before.

Are there not patent mechanisms in place in which someone can patent something but grant license (free or for $1 or whatever), essentially preventing others from patenting it for profit and closing it off?

I feel that would be the simple solution.

Sure, it means the open-source community or company has to go through the hurdle of submitting a patent application, but compared to having the idea stolen and closed off, it’s a small annoyance.

I guess that comes back to what you said though, scummy businesses and vexatious claims, needing to fight in court.

The reality is that the patent system is broken then? Because as cynical as it sounds, I feel it’s inevitable that a company will come in and try to take everything as their own eventually, it’s how you prevent it or deal with it that matters.

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Nope. Put simply, patents are country based )If you haven’t read the article above it’s enlightening) so it’s all too common for companies to take other people’s work, and patent it in (insert another country here), then take action against the original designer/manufacturer. A year or two ago, a couple of large printer manufacturers even started patenting open source designs - I don’t know how the current case between Stratasys and BambuLabs has progressed nor who is right or wrong, but that’s a good example of things not working in a simple world.

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